or "I sleep better in economy with no leg rest." 1) Because many commentators here relentlessly regard SQ or 350 as an angel while QF or 787 as an evil. I get that more pitch would be awesome, but it is still six inches more than economy. Our flight was Still a tight fit, didn't get pics along the lines you suggested (due to limited time during the walk-through pre-delivery, and then the premium economy cabin being near-full of sleeping media on the overnight leg of the delivery flight itself). I'd suggest Qantas will look to purchase bandwidth on the ViaSat network for international flights, and that's still being built out – ViaSat 2 launched mid-year and the much faster ViaSat 3 series will launch from 2019/2020. Bob I presume spoken by one who was on the delivery flight! Enjoy dining on a contemporary menu designed by Neil Perry, Creative Director of Food, Beverage and Service, served on stylish Noritake and David Caon designed tableware. Please keep it real. Premium Economy Economy Disclaimer: +Selected B737-800 aircraft have full seatback screens for each customer, while remaining B737-800’s are installed with inflight entertainment options to stream to your personal device via the Qantas Entertainment App. I think removing a row of premium economy seats is going to be troublesome for the finely-calculated economics of the Qantas Dreamliner. Your Dreamliner B787 Premium Economy seat is designed specifically for ultra-long haul flying and focuses on customised features to ensure maximum comfort. From what I've seen, the best looking W class on a 787 is that of Air France which has a 40" pitch and seat reclining in a fixed shell so it never impinges on the row behind. Masochists can sit in a W or Y seat on QF9 or QF10 but I won't be joining them. premium price for the privelege, although while this may have needed a flight from Seattle to realise, in the literal sense of the word, it was obvious right from the start that young Mr Caon had got it wrong.Together with the comments add to the impression that PE is a class too many in the small aircraft which is the B787, and that JAL has done it right in regard to the aircraft it has configured for flights to/from Australia. Zaps I do it all the time (to DFW) and it is fine; better than economy which is the point. Part of this is a function of the seat's deep recline – which is usually a good thing... ... and the solid shell which wraps around the seat, giving it more of a 'premium' feel. "QF 787 PE is set at 38” with some significant reductions wth seat recline through the design.". Really interesting how another review l recently read, gave PE a glowing report - however that reviewer travelled as a guest of QF. Didnât receive an activation email? Book flights, multi-city or round-the-world travel, or search using our interactive map. Stretch out with optimised legroom while feeling supported by the footrest. Still will be better than down back. Qantas touts its Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner premium economy seat as 'revolutionary' and a world champion in the better-than-economy stakes. Ways to check-in for your flight including online and on your mobile. Qantas could fix the PE legroom issue by removing one row of Y from the forward cabin and the distribute the 32inches across PE and the remaining rows of Y. We first raised this in our detailed preview of the seats published in February 2017, and last week's launch of the Qantas Boeing 787-9 and its subsequent delivery flight from Seattle to Sydney – during which we spent some hours sleeping in the premium economy seat – brings this into sharper focus. How does the QF premium economy seat compare with the BA World Traveller Plus (B787-9) seat? Look forward to a complimentary Napoleon Perdis branded amenity kit, offered on selected flights to help you stay refreshed. If you make PE too good your not going to pay for business. These classes are broken down into 42 business, 28 premium economy and 188 economy seats. There’s just something about that beautiful plane that creates a … Which I find even more ironic because all known PY and J designs in service today worldwide hv a wide range of recline angle and obviously can be adjusted to a setting that exactly mirrors what is possible with a Y seat. Maximum 24inch width available per section. Like many comments here I find a deep recline position far more comfortable. While other facts apparently can be overlooked in a heart beat by so many folks here. EPIC fail due to poor seat pitch... QANTAS need to correct this quickly. Can 't say as I haven't flown in that BA product. Scoot with SQ) could factory fit an AVOD system screen to EVERY el cheapo Y seat on their also budget 787, there really is no excuse for Scoot not to hv the same even just for the pricey ScootBiz seat. Qantas CEO Alan Joyce (seated on the left) and CFO Tino La Spina (seated on the righ) test out the premium economy seat for the airline's new 787-9 Dreamliner … When reclined it could be the tightest PE on the market. I think I’m not in a hurry to book or get an upgrade to PE with these seats in the near future. Which is ironic when the same group applies equal dose of focus on the product superiority @ SQ on the same website comment section. interact with our community. Like others have said, people book premium The centre and side consoles provide extra elbow room, as well as clever storage for your tray table and entertainment screen. Qantas says 87% of flyers willing to take COVID vaccine if required, How to get a free upgrade to Emirates premium economy, Face masks to be mandatory on all domestic flights, As online shopping booms, Amazon swoops on four ex-Qantas Boeing 767s, 5 reasons you shouldn't bin your boarding passes, What to do when an airline cancels your flight, New ways for airlines to win your business. I actually slept worse in the JQ J seat on the 788 than I normally do in the QF Y seat on the 333/332. As previously tipped, the red-tailed Dreamliner will have 166 economy seats arranged in a … There seems to be a lot of grumbling in these responses but my read of it is that it is much the same as the A380 seat with a few improvements. Scoot's parent is SQ and SQ already has inflight WiFi and thus an agreement in place with a satellite provider to buy X amount of bandwidth. With lots of ways to use your points, you’ll be sure to find something you like. No it just hasn't been mentioned in the article. David Flynn is the Editor-in-Chief of Executive Traveller and a bit of a travel tragic with a weakness for good coffee, shopping and lychee martinis. That will probably need a rethink. Explore the best holiday destinations to visit in 2019. PER-LHR experiment will be a failure. The Air France PE suffers the same fate as the Air NZ Spaceseat. Excellent article: very considered, and terrific photos. "When even scoot could factory fit WiFi to their budget 787 aircraft..". Imagine being in economy for 17 hours. Without a seat in front with footrest, do ones legs just dangle off the tilted seat if they don’t reach the bulkhead? No way will I risk that ever again..so disappointed to hear this on the Dreamliner...suppose I'm dreaming to think they could make seats for tall...& some for short ? Vietnam … All the above posts are from people who’s options don’t need to be explained to your interests. Surely thats a safety issue if it is. Relax as soon as you’re on board with a complimentary sparkling wine, cocktail or juice. Such a shame compared with the promise outlined to me by a friend who was an interior design engineer in the B787 project at Everett, as we checked out the fuselage mockup in 2007 during a visit there.The economics of market competition plus high barriers to exit might mean that eventually they too will succumb unfortunately, rather than try a modest price increase.So sad that the Dreamliner tag still applies but the concept which the term encapsulated when it was coined by Boeing in the early days has gone down the gurgler. This won't make for a comfortable flight, especially not on the Dreamliner's 17+ hour non-stop trek between Perth and London. "I like more of the recline than fully flat in Business. But that's the point David and I were making, rather than setting the seat to flat we prefer setting it to a recliner position for sleep. The entire aircraft has in seat power at every seat. Photo: Qantas Seats will be sold in all classes of the Dreamliner – business, premium economy and economy. Upgrading to Premium Economy on the Sydney-Auckland route costs 13,600 Qantas points from an Economy Saver ticket, or just 4,300 points if you’ve booked a flexible Economy airfare. Penny pinching to say the least. I'll keep an open mind and give it a go sometime. It's completely free and we'll never pass your information on to Sadly, a few issues – not all of them related to the seat itself – keep it from reaching its full crowd-pleasing potential. FLX sorry I’m not contradicting myself, “further reductions in recline” I was referring from the article when the seat in FRONT is RECLINED the seat behind space is further reduced due to the design, look at the pics and review above, it’s clear cut. Of course, consumers and their feedbacks don't care about design specs of PY being too close to J and the Rev$ consequences.... And people wonder why we bag Qantas as being a crap airline! I have used SQ premium economy, while nice, compared with standard economy, I prefer the QF product. Whilst NZ did make the right decision by removing the row of its ironically named Spaceseat, it blew up its economics and doomed it to the scrapheap. For instance FLX1 seems to have made further comments - I can read them on my email - but they don't yet seem to be in the thread here. Premium Economy is supposed to be a lot better than economy, nobody here is asking for business class at PE prices, but adequate legroom is an essential part of the PE product offering and this seat or rather the pitch assigned to it by Qantas doesn't deliver. Talking point: have you given up on airport WiFi? Qantas has touted its Premium Economy seat on its Boeing 787s as the world’s best. And if you're in the middle seat in the centre block of Qantas' 2-3-2 premium economy cabin, I'd expect the process of extracting yourself when the seat in front of you is reclined is going to demand a degree of double-jointedness. Having sat in the seat today at the open day in Melbourne and playing around with the recline (with both seat in infront and my seat reclined, I can honestly say I find it very comfortable and didn't have any issues with legroom at all. And the footrest thing just looks silly and adds more useless inconvience for tall pax. I'd be inclined to agree. Qantas' Dreamliner has 42 seats in Business Class, 28 Premium Economy seats and Economy where we were with 166 seats, each with 32 inches of pitch. Thai Airways 747-400 business class (upper deck) Sydney to Bangkok 05. This is a terrible oversight when you think about about laptop-toting travellers flying as long as 17 hours between Perth and London. Both Singapore and Virgin would appear to still have better seats... Not an unexpected outcome from when this was first shown, a real shame as bringing this inline with VA and AirNZ at 41'' would I expect have made a great seat. Subscribe to our free newsletter and get the latest news, reviews, tips and more sent straight to your inbox, Review: Qantas Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner premium economy seat. To quote Shakespeare ‘me thinketh thou complain too much’. First up is the legroom: or to be more precise, the lack of legroom when the seat in front of you is reclined. Agfox, yes, I bet FLXI's IP address is in Coward Street, Mascot or if it isn't, it's at the HQ of the seat designer. Here are the best watches of the year: should you care? His solution is this 're-imagined' legrest which works in tandem with the reclined seat with the aim of cradling your body from head to toe. There is, however, another wrinkle in the design of Qantas' premium economy seats: the foot hammock upon which much of the airline's 'revolutionary' claim has been built. Renowned service, onboard inclusions and an award-winning airline, fly with us and discover the Qantas difference. Hmm. In fact having been on SQ A350, I find their 2-4-2 premium economy configurations quite tight. Is that storage area below the screen metal? Bold claim? QANTAS 737-800 first class Melbourne to Sydney 03. Resend one to yourself here. Qantas will treat its Boeing 787 economy class passengers to an extra inch of legroom over the airline's flagship A380 superjumbo, along with mod cons such as an iPad stand built into each seat. There's nothing to communicate either of these points to passengers. Sit back and relax in your A380 Premium Economy seat, designed by Marc Newson and built by Recaro. On the Qantas Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner, such perks are just the beginning of its premium economy service. It's a very relaxing position to be in, but that comfort comes at a cost of reducing the knee-room at the very front of your seat. Absolutely best in class at the time. The middle seat of each premium economy row (the ‘E’ seats: 20E, 21E, 22E and 23E) is actually a bit wider again, at 23.3 inches (59cm), while passengers on the aisle seats (A, D, F and J) can recover more space to spread by pushing down the aisle-side armrest. Qantas 787 Dreamliner Premium Economy Dinner by Neil Perry: Tomato and mascarpone rigatoni; Rhubarb cake with custard; Salad with Neil's vinaigrette; Cheese and crackers (Random memory from the deep archives of this blog: when I flew Singapore-London in 2006, I was super excited to see that they offered a Gordon Ramsay-designed meal in Economy of salmon with … That's also pretty clear cut too for me. Just below the screen is a pocket for stowing your smartphone, reading glasses or other small bits of personal kit. I recall having my knees actually 'jammed' could not move...with a Cathay flight by my fellow passenger in front ( obnoxious very short woman who's feet wouldn't have even been able to touch the back of her seat - in front of her) only to be told if the seat reclines they are quite within their right to fully recline it! Qantas has unveiled the final seats for its new Boeing 787 Dreamliner planes with a new premium economy design. This all comes back to pitch, to the distance between the seats. On Qantas, the A380’s expanded premium cabin will now have 60 seats, and on the Dreamliner, 28. Qantas premium economy… This article is more proof how the QF 'Dreamliner' could be more correctly be called the 'Nightmareliner' (for all but the small number in business class.). "SQ premium economy also 38". I am a big fan of Qantas and was very much looking forward to the new PE. a shame about this product. I don't know about U but I personally never ever take the PR descriptive such as "revolutionary" or "streets ahead of..." fm any vendor without a heavy grain of salt. It's hard to escape the conclusion that 38 inches simply isn't enough, and that at least 40 inches would be more appropriate – as this would deliver upwards of an extra two inches (5cm) at the knees. Wow. Find departure and arrival information and view our on time performance. I'm 6ft and the PE seat seems to impinge calves causing the discomfort. From an AUSBT comment on Facebook: “I actually think it's a *very* good seat, it's just let down by lack of legroom – the assigned pitch would have been fine for a conventional A380-style premium economy seat, but this seat simply needs more pitch”. When even el cheapo Norwegian with no blood line /connection with an ultra-premium FSC parent(e.g. to be comfortable, especially for the premium prices QF charge. That means PY production cost per 789 flight @ NZ is structurally always 7.7% higher than QF. An interesting review! Full Qantas Boeing 787 review ! There's much to like about Qantas' new premium economy seat, which sits in its own cabin of four rows with a 2-3-2 seating layout. Find out how to change your booking, contact your local Qantas Office and get answers to other questions. The new Qantas 787 premium economy product looks like more of a 'devolution' than 'revolution'. 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